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Sponsors suck.

Posted by mooseisloose - September 10th, 2008

So I have 2 hard-worked games that I consider pretty good as do the people that have had a sneaky peek and play. I've had the odd offer here and there from sponsors but things are just going tits-up!

The first game got $1,200 up-front, then +$1,000 for the first million views and +$2,000 for the second million views. I wasn't sure at first but I eventually accepted. After over a month of communications with the sponsor waiting for them to send over their preloader and other stuff I finally had it in perfect shape and ready to go... at which point they told me I had to delete my website's logo from the intro! I then told them no and put the game back on sponsorship.

It's been a good month or so and the offers are yet to top $100 so I asked the website from before if the deal was still open... no reply.

The second game is the third from a series and if easily my best game made yet. The site that sponsored the first 2 is not interested, however 2 extremely large websites (possibly 2 of the largest) have shown interest... but only made bids upto $600 which isn't even close to what I want. I had a HUGE bid for the game but the sponsor changed their mind.

Basically, sponsors are willies! They need to stop changing their bloody minds! IF YOU MAKE AN OFFER TO A DEVELOPER, HONOUR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also try taking less than 2 weeks to reply to mails! Apart from Armorgames and Legitgames, every sponsor I have spoken too takes weeks to reply! I get you're busy but a lot of the time all you need to type is a single word!

From sponsors taking forever to get on with it or changing their minds I have been royally raped on my car insurance and cannot drive, I have been unable to pay multiple other important things and am now sat in a dark room with a blanket around me extremely bloody hungry! us developers don't just try and get our games sponsored for shits 'n' giggles, some of us need the fucking money!

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MDJedi

psdhh for 1200 dollars why not take your logo out of the intro and sneak it in somewhere else like in the menu or is that not allowed

mooseisloose

Yeah I had a little button to my site on the menu that also had to be deleted. I wasn't willing to remove my website unless it was for stupidly large amounts of money... but now I need it incredibly badly or I'm screwed so I'm willing to remove =p

luka

How can you expect to get sponsorships AND promote your website, which is not just a website of your games, but the website which is actually their competition. I suggest you make a personal website of your games and gain ad revenue from that, instead of having a full flash game portal. You'd have to sponsor other games to be able to promote your flash portal.

mooseisloose

I see where you're coming from, but sponsors haven't ever asked me to remove my website in the past.

Djmr

I get what youre saying, Im coming towards the end of developing such an awesome games and we're looking around at some sponsors, and they ask for really stupid things in the fine print. And only $600? Thats not much at all man. I just wish getting sponsorship for us was much easier, you know?

mooseisloose

You tried flashgamelicense? It's full of sponsors, probably your best bet... however as there are more sponsors there it also makes it more likely for those sponsors that screw devs around to be there.

MDJedi

Well you could always post a link in your authors comments or in one of your post when you release it like here's my new game also visit here :)

mooseisloose

Yeah but that's just a few people on NG... whereas the game will hopefully be in many many many more places!

Tomorrows-Nobody

You should've taken the money and then stopped talking. Isn't your site just a bunch of stolen content?

mooseisloose

I should've yes. It wasn't worth it in my opinion but because of my current situation I've realised this is one of those things where I shouldn't of been stubborn and tried to get exactly my way and I should've thought about the long-term a bit more. Also my site is full of NG links if that's what you mean.

Iamjohn

The reason they wanted you to take your site off is because they only sponsor you so people visit the site (Armorgames, etc) if your site wasn't a game site they would have let you keep your site on..

mooseisloose

Yeah I know why they did it. It's not like I was allowing other arcades to sponsor the game though, it was a quick thing saying I made it and clickable to my website. If I'm the one who made the game then surely it makes sense I would have that on there? That's how it's always worked for me before and that's how I've seen it work for other people too.

jmtb02

I have to agree with Luka here. if you're going to run a Flash game site you need to stop feeding your competitors. If I owned a restaurant I wouldn't spend my time making food for other people's restaurants.

mooseisloose

Wow........... I feel compelled to reply. I've typed my reply about 8 times over trying to rgue but it keeps coming out wrong so I delete it. Oh well I'm happy now I've replied =D

sebaboss

Break some bones. It is obvious that hey are making fool out of you. Tell them to piss off and find better ones. I would also put some anti-ads into my flash. That kind of people really pisses me off :@

mooseisloose

Haha I don't think I shall be doing that anytime soon :p I don't think they are trying to make a fool of me lol, I just think they asked a tiny bit too much for what they were offering.

Jimp

I can kind of understand why the sponsor wouldnt want the link to your website on the game. If they are paying good money to put there logo and link on the game, they arent going to want links to other flash game websites aswell.

If it was a personal site like a portfolio I dont think they would mind, but by having your link you kind of half the possibility of someone clicking their link.

mooseisloose

If they were paying good money then fair enough... but they weren't. They were paying pretty good money if I got to keep my site on it, however if I had to remove my site then I wouldn't consider what they offered great money. Personally.

LazyMuffin

You're a 17 year old making money off of flash games, stop whining.

mooseisloose

Ermmmmmmm....... that's a silly comment :p everyone makes money off their jobs and a lot of people whine about it. I wanna be one of those very lucky people that doesn't have to whine about it :p

Egoraptor

You passed up a really good deal.

mooseisloose

I would say looking back at it that I shouldn't of passed it up... but it still wasn't good!

RubberNinja

Wait you run a site with stolen content?

I hate sites like that, a lot.

>:/

mooseisloose

I link to stuff on NG, yeah it's not the good/right way to run a site and it's all set to change sometime in the near future... until then... hate away!

saltovergray

I barely earn 5$ a month. Quit whining about how you didn't get $1,220 for a fucking flash game.

mooseisloose

If you barely earn $5 a month then I think you need to quit your job?? $1,200 isn't exactly much for the amount of work it took =\

squeakytoad

Ironic that YOU'D be complaining about unethical behavior.

mooseisloose

I took Madeline McCann.

Quarl

I thought flash making was all about the chicks and fast cars... since when does anyone care about money?

mooseisloose

Fast cars and chicks come from having the money :p

Wurmy

uh.. what do you think of legitgames? as far as sponsorship goes anyways.

mooseisloose

Great sponsor. Was pretty much always available, completely trustworthy. Helpful without being pushy. Quick and easy to deal with and decent payments. Best sponsor I've dealt with so far.

Egoraptor

Son you need to learn the value of a dollar.

mooseisloose

Yeah okay then O.o GREAT BRITISH POUNDS FO' LYF!

Djmr

Flashgamelicense sucks. They want to nick your moneyz.

Armourgames is the best bet. Theyve got a big name for themselves and you earn a decent cash amount from them.

And depending on making flash games as your one and only income is a bad idea. Especially since, like me, you live in the UK.

mooseisloose

If I didn't have college in the daytime, flashing all day could make fantastic income! Spending 10 hours making a game usually gets a few thousand $ sponsorship... however I could not bear that much flash lol.

Also yeah armorgames is pretty good, Dan was one of the people that actually replied quickly and didn't screw me about or give me false hope =D

Rustygames

You're an extremely greedy person if you didn't go for the first deal...

You need to calm down with prices and get real, too many developers are greedy little gits these days...

Good luck with finding another sponsor

mooseisloose

We're only getting greedy because many websites say that whatever sponsors offer us, our games are worth shitloads more than that to them, so we can easily push the price up and sponsors would be fine with it :p

Also............. longtime fan of your site! You're one of the reasons I make flash games... I may not be all that good so this isn't the biggest compliment going, but back in the olden days of using the BBS too much, you taught me the ropes with AS :p

molkman

You have to decide to either be a "sponsor" with a gamesite yourself and get money from ads OR to be a game developer and get money from games. Both doesn't work or does only work with either low money or just a few hits to your site.

Also, making money with someone else's traffic isn't the nice way either.

mooseisloose

I enjoy doing both :p im sure i can make it work if i try! if i have to choose then i guess i'll end up ditching the sponsors or not expecting much money from them to keep my site in my games

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